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Abavubuka mwenyigire mu bulimi - Kabaka awadde amagezi:

 

8th December, 2014

 

By Dickson Kulumba ne Paddy Bukenya

 

Kabaka ng’awuubira ku bantu be ku mbuga y’eggombolola y’e Buwama mu ssaza ly’e Mawokota e Mpigi ku Lwomukaaga ku mikolo gy’Abavubuka mu Buganda.

 

KABAKA Ronald Muwenda Mutebi II alagidde abavubuka okwongera okwegatta 

beenyigire mu bulimi nga balima ebirime eby’ettunzi okusobola okwekulaakulanya.

Omutanda ng’ali ku mikolo gy’abavubuka mu Buganda ku mbuga y’eggombolola y’e Buwama mu ssaza lya Mawokota mu disitulikiti y’e Mpigi ku Lwomukaaga, yawadde abavubuka amagezi okukozesa ebifo ku masaza ne ku magombolola okukolerako emirimu egy’enjawulo egy’enkulaakulana

n’asiima abatandiseewo emirimu ne bayambako n’abalala okwebeezaawo.

 

 

Ente Omubaka Kenneth Kiyingi Bbosa (Mawokota South) gye yatonedde 

Ssaabasajja ku Lwomukaaga. 

 

Kabaka alagidde abavubuka okwekebeza Kabaka yakubirizza abavubuka okwekuuma:

 

“Omwaka guno tujjukiziddwa ensonga y’ebyobulamu. Abavubuka tusaanye okwekuuma nga tuli balamu, okwekebeza buli mwaka kubanga si kirungi okugenda mu ddwaaliro nga tumaze okugonda ate omuvubuka alina okulya obulungi.”

 

Katikkiro Charles Peter Mayiga yakunze abavubuka okukozesa emikisa Kabaka gy’abatee

reddewo; mu by’obulimi beekwate BUCADEF n’okuyingira Ssuubiryo Zambogo SACCO.

 

Omulamwa gwabadde; Omuvubuka omulamu ate nga mukozi ye nnamuziga w’enku

laakulana mu Buganda, era wano Minisita w’abavubuka e Mmengo, Henry Ssekabembe, we yategeerezza nga bammemba ba Ssuubiryo Zambogo SACCO bwe batuuse ku 1,500 nga kati balinawo n’obukadde 285.

 

Abamu ku Baamasaza ku mukolo gw’Abavubuka mu Buganda e Mawokota ku Lwomukaaga.

 

Omukolo gwetabyeko; ssentebe w’abavubuka mu Buganda, Richard Kabanda, Kayima David Ssekyeru, Katikkiro eyawummula Dan Mulika, sipiika wa Buganda Nelson Kawalya n’omumyuka we Ahmed Lwasa, Minisita Amelia Kyambadde, Omubaka Kenneth Kiyingi Bbosa (Mawokota South) ssaako baminisita b’e Mmengo, abakulu b’ebika n’Abaamasaza.

Abayimbi; Mathias Walukagga ne Fred Ssebbale be baasanyusiza abantu ba Kabaka.

The first bank in The Ganda Kingdom:

By Henry Lubega
 

Posted  Sunday,1 st March,  2015 

  

Before 1906, there was no banking institution in Uganda until November of the same year when the national Bank of India opened its first branch in Entebbe, and four years later it opened the first bank in Kampala, although it was later taken up to become Grindlys Bank.

The National Bank of India was followed by Standard Bank of South Africa Limited when on September 19, 1912, it opened its first branch in Kampala. And a few years later it opened another branch in Jinja.

Barclays

Barclays followed in 1927 when it opened two branches in Kampala and Jinja. In 1954 three more banks; Bank of Baroda, Bank of India and The Nedelandsche Handel-Maatschappij M.V (Netherlands Trading Society) opened in Uganda.

According to Saben’s commercial directory and handbook of Uganda, as early as 1949 the banking system had been established in Uganda but did not control much of the financial liquidity that was in circulation across the board in the country.

“Much of the money was controlled in the bazaars and other channels which were predominantly controlled by people of the Asian origin. These people played a key role in the buying of cotton.

However, areas where banks were non-existent, merchants in those areas played the part of the banks. This was through taking drafts in exchange for cash or physical items in exchange for hard cash,” Saben wrote.

By 1950, it was realised that to bring more Africans into the business there was need to provide them with credit. Unfortunately, the commercial banks at the time would not extend credit to Africans because of the nature of their securities.

Under Ordinance number 20 of 1950 the Uganda Credit and Saving Bank was created purposely to extend credit facilities to Africans with the aim of furthering agriculture, commercial building and co-operative society purposes.

On October 2, 1950, the bank was opened and by 1961 it had spread to places like Arua, Fort Portal, Jinja, Soroti, Gulu, Masaka and Mbale, taking only African deposits.

Building Society

Two years later, the first Building Society in Uganda was opened as a subsidiary of a Kenyan owned firm Savings and Loans Society Limited. 

More financial institutions continued to open up in Uganda with Lombard Bank from Kenya, in partnership with Uganda Development Corporation, opening the Lombank Uganda Limited in 1958. It was this bank which first introduced the hire purchase system of shopping in Uganda.

It was not until 1966 that through an act of Parliament that Bank of Uganda was created. Prior to this, issues to do with money were handled by the East African currency board which had its head offices in Kenya.

MAY NGA 24 BULI MWAKA OMUGANDA ALINA OKUJJUKIRA OLUTALO LW'OBOTE OKUWAMBA OBUGANDA. OBWAKABAKA BWA BUGANDA BWAVAWO. ENSI REPUBLIC NEYIYIZIBWA.
 
Mmengo erabudde abawandiisa abantu abali ku Ttaka ly’Obwa
Kabaka:
Posted 5th May, 2015
 
By  Bukedde reporter, Uganda
 
Kyewalabye (ku ddyo) ng’ayogerera mu musomo.
 

AKULIRA ekitongole ky’ebyettaka mu bwakabaka ekya Buganda Land Board (BLB):

 

Kyewalabye Male, alabudde abaami ba Kabaka abagenda okwenyigira mu kuwandiisa ebibanja by’abasenze ku ttaka ly’Obwakabaka beewale obukumpanya n’emivuyo kuba bayinza okusibwa.

Yagambye nti wadde ng’enteekateeka eno egenderedde kuyamba bantu ba Ssaabasajja kufuna biwandiiko ebituufu mu mateeka ku bibajnja byabwe, wandibaawo bannakigwanyizi abayinza okukozesa omukisa guno okwenoonyeza ebyabwe.

Bino Male, eyabadde n’abakozi ba BLB ne katikkiro w’ebyalo bya Kabaka,  Lubega Mutunzi, yabyogedde   mu kuggalawo omusomo ogwetabiddwaamu Abaamagombolola, Abeemiruka n’Abatongole mu ssaza ly’e Kyaggwe ku mbuga ya Ssekiboobo e Mukono ogwategekeddwa okubabangula ku nkola gye bagenda okugoberera nga basomesa n’okuwandiisa abasenze ku ttaka ly’Obwakabaka. Enteekateeka eno yatandika nga May 4, 2015.

Ssekiboobo Benjamin Kigongo yagambye nti ebibanja ebitalambuddwa si bya kuwandiikibwa olw’okwewala enkaayana. Nb

Ekizibu ky'abaami ba Ssabasajja kyelaga kyoka. Baddidde abobuyinza babiri babateese mu kalo ka Buganda akedda. Ebyawandiikibwa bitugamba ki? Toyinza kuwuliriza bakama bo babiri. Oleka ko omu okumuwulira nowulira omulala. Tugambe ki? Mufumbiro bwemufumbiramu abafumbiro abangi Mmere kiki eyo evayo?

Genda mukalo kafe wano e Buganda. Owe Gombolola atuuka okubuuza ettaka lye kitebe kye werikoma. Bamugamba kimu. LC 1 yaliteekako ba Investor abava e Buyindi. Ate ekubo elyaffe eryedda elyayita wano ku Saza lya Kangawo. Olwo Kangawo abuuza: Bamugamba kimu. Disi yasibawo Sengenge ensonga zino ziri mu National Land Board. Okunsiba Sebo Mwami tekulimu. Tonda bwatakuuma abakuuma bakumira bwerere Jjajja. Kugwa mubunya bwewesimira nga olaba. Kitalo nyo.

 

Bazudde obulyazama

nyi bwe ttaka lya Buganda  mu ofiisi ze Wakiso:

 

By Rogers Kibirige

 

Added 30th September 2016

 

Ying. Sabiiti (owookubiri ku ddyo) ne babaka banne nga baliko bye babuuza omukozi mu minisitule y’ebyetta e Wakiso (ku ddyo).

 

EMIVUYO egiri mu ofiisi ya  minisitule y’ebyettaka esangibwa  e Wakiso ku kitebe kya disitulikiti  giwuniikirizza ababaka.

Ng’oggyeeko okuba ng’abakozi  abamu tebasobola kunnyonnyola  ngeri gye bakolamu emirimu,  bangi mu ofiisi zaabwe bawunyamu  mpunye. Batuuka kikeerezi  ate bwe ziwera 6:00 ez’omu  ttuntu ng’abamu bannyuka.

Bakozesa bboggo eri abatuuze  ate abalala empapula zaabwe  teziwera.  Ono ye kacica muyite cculugu  ababaka ba palamenti abaalambudde  ofiisi za minisitule  y’ebyettaka zino ku Lwokusatu  gwe baasanzeeyo.

Ababaka abaakulembeddwa  ssentebe w’akakiiko akalondola  enkola y’emirimu aka (Physical  infrastructure Committee) Ying.  Denis Sabiiti (Rubanda) baategeezezza  nti kyannaku okulaba  ng’abakozi ba Minisitule ab’e  Wakiso babonyabonya abantu ne  babatambuzanga okubakolera  ku nsonga z’ettaka kyokka bwe  bamala ne babamma ebyapa.

Sabiiti yayongeddeko nti baazudde  nti abakozi ba Minisitule  balina obutakkaanya n’abakola  mu ofiisi y’ebyettaka eya disitulikiti  y’e Wakiso ekireetedde entambuza  y’emirimu okuzingama.

Kwe kusaba minisitule  n’abakulembeze ba disitulikiti  okugonjoola ensonga eno mu  bwangu.

Yayongeddeko nti n’abakozi  abasangibwa mu kifo abantu we  batuukira, engeri gye bakwatamu  bakasitoma n’abagenyi eraga nti  si batendeke kimala era beetaaga  okuddamu okubangulwa mu  bwangu.

Yategeezezza nti byonna bye  baasanze e Wakiso, bagenda  kubikolamu lipooti bagitwale mu  palamenti y’eggwanga ekubaganyizibweko  ebirowoozo.

 Baalabudde nti ssinga minisitule  y’ebyettaka tetereeza bizibu biri  Wakiso, eggyibwewo kuba ebeera  tegasa Bannayuganda.

Ye ssentebe  wa disitulikiti  y’e Wakiso,  Matia Lwanga  Bwanika yategeezezza  nti ebbanga lyonna abadde  yeemulugunya ku ngeri abakozi ba  minisitule gye bakolamu emirimu  nga teri avaayo.

Yasabye nti ababaka bye bazudde  bireme kukoma mu lipooti,  wabula abavunaanyizibwa ku mivuyo  egiri mu minisitule ne ofiisi  y’e Wakiso, bakolweko.

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Abakozi bano batukiriza mulimu gwa Bible ogwayogerwa ko Jjajja Isa Masiya 10/40 AD. E Buganda nakatono kolina nako kalikujjibwako nekaweebwa alina ekingi enyo.

  

EKIKA NJOVU.

 

OMUZIRO:NJOVU

 

AKABBIRO

NVUBU.

 

OMUTAKA

MUKALO

 

OBUTAKA

KAMBUGU

Buliji.

 

ESSAZA

BUSIRO

 

OMUBALA

Esimbye amasanga, Nakate ajja.

 

 

EKIKA MBWA

 

OMUZIRO:MBWA

 

AKABBIRO

Kyuuma kye basiba mu Mbwa.

 

OMUTAKA

MUTASINGWA.

 

OBUTAKA

KIGGWA

 

ESSAZA

BUSUJJU.

 

OMUBALA

Goba Omukazi oleete Embwa.

The United States and many African leaders are making out a  Summit that will bring 50 African delegates to Washington:

 

By World Media

 

 

 

President Museveni boards the plane to US

 

 

The Biden administration hopes to use a gathering of 50 African delegations in Washington "to uplift and empower African institutions, citizens and nations" through discussions about challenges such as health, democracy, governance, investment, development, climate change and more, senior administration officials said Thursday.

Participants in next week's US-Africa Leaders Summit will spend three days in Washington discussing the challenges, needs and hopes of one-fifth of the world's population, spread over a landmass that is larger than China, India, the continental US. and most of Europe, combined, and where as many as one-third of the world's languages are spoken.

This year's summit, which begins Tuesday, will focus on "deepening and expanding the long term US-Africa partnership and advancing our shared priorities, amplifying African voices to collaboratively meet this era's defining challenges," a senior administration official said. Officials briefed reporters Thursday, on condition that their names would not be used, as is common in White House briefings.

Another senior administration official said they will announce "major deliverables and initiatives" over the three-day-summit but declined to give details.

 


"This is also about defining a global agenda together," the official said, "where there are opportunities where Africans should – will, must – sit at the table and help us work through some of the most difficult challenges in this consequential decade."

Who's in – and out

A spokesperson for the National Security Council told VOA that all 50 invited delegations – from 49 countries plus the African Union – "have confirmed their participation" but did not say at what level of government.

Five countries were not invited, the White House said. Burkina Faso, Mali, Guinea and Sudan were excluded because the African Union has suspended them over unconstitutional changes of government; and the US has no diplomatic relations with the pariah state of Eritrea.

Not all delegations plan to send heads of state, officials told various reporters in VOA's Africa Division – raising questions about how effective deliberations can be without the direct involvement of leaders who wield considerable power.

South Sudan's president will send his Foreign minister. Ethiopia's prime minister, whose nation is immersed in an ethnically driven conflict, is likely to be represented by that nation's ceremonial president, who will be a rare female figure on a stage dominated by men. The president of South Africa, among the most advanced nations on the continent, is staring down challenges from within the ruling African National Congress, which meets next week for a high-stakes leadership conference.

 

And Zimbabwe's president remains under US visa restrictions while accused of undermining democracy and abusing human rights. But several continental heavyweights will attend, including African Union Commission chairperson Moussa Faki and the presidents of African oil giants Angola and Nigeria. The new president of Kenya has signalled that he will be there, as will the leader of Uganda, who has held that role for 36 years.

Military

The summit will also look at how the US can work with African governments on security challenges, which are especially acute in the Sahel region and in Somalia.

Speaking to the Defense Writers Group on Tuesday, Chidi Blyden, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for African Affairs, said that Somalia's militant Islamist al-Shabab group remains the "No. 1" threat.

Pentagon officials also expressed concern over Russia's shadowy mercenary Wagner Group, which has made landfall in several African nations struggling with insecurity and instability, and where, the official said, "their presence has exacerbated some of those conditions, rather than contributing to improving the security situation."

Money

On one topic, however, most African nations agree: the world's richest nation has a large role to play in promoting prosperity and development on the continent.

"More needs to be done by the United States as regards US-Africa trade, as regards US investments in Africa, as regards US lending to Africa and indeed, US aid to Africa," said Aloysius Uche Ordu, director of the Africa Growth Initiative at the Brookings Institution.

He added that he was "delighted" to note that the US very recently announced an increased, $600 million commitment to the African Development Fund, which works on financing in low-income countries.

"Now we're hoping that this momentum could be maintained in terms of the push of US support to Africa," he said.

US officials are aware of this, Blyden said.

"The Africa Leaders Summit will place a lot of emphasis on a business forum that will take the time to bring together a number of private sector investors who can exchange with African partners, exactly what they are able to collaborate on in the different sectors of business that we have here in the United States," she said.

Morality

And White House officials said they plan to confront thorny issues, like African nations' reluctance to condemn Russia over its February invasion of Ukraine. Additionally, the US has long been wary of China's advances on the continent through its ambitious Belt and Road infrastructure initiative.

"While we do not wish to make our African partners choose sides, the US strives to be the partner of choice by offering relationships based on mutual respect and values," the defense official said, echoing similar US diplomatic pronouncements.

"By providing higher quality products and services and by working together with our partners on issues that are important to them," the defense official said. "We are confident that our relationship will bring about long-term stability and prosperity."

And then there is the sticky issue of the leaders themselves. Currently, five African leaders have ruled for more than 30 years each, and a half dozen more have been in power for longer than a decade.

And many face credible, serious allegations: The US State Department, in an annual report, described corruption under Nigeria's president as being "massive, widespread, and pervasive."

Uganda's president, who has ruled since 1986, has been accused of using security forces to commit politically related abuses, secure election victories and silence dissent. And Kenya's incoming president faced murder, deportation and persecution charges at the International Criminal Court over his role in 2007 postelection violence that killed about 1,200 people. His case was dismissed, but the court did not acquit him.

Human Rights Watch has urged the White House to make human rights a focus at this summit.

"Hosting these leaders at the White House will further legitimize these regimes, sending a clear message that the US government values security considerations over human rights," wrote Nicole Widdersheim, deputy Washington director, and Carine Kaneza Nantulya, deputy Africa director.

VOA asked the White House, separately, how President Joe Biden would approach these sensitive topics, and if he was concerned about being seen with leaders with such reputations.

"The president's foreign policy is rooted in values – values like promoting human rights," the official responded. "Human rights will always be on the agenda, and the president will not shy away from raising these issues with any foreign leader anywhere in the world."

 

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This USA President one believes was the Vice President under the Obama administration in the Democratic political party in that country. One wants to ask in terms of human rights, what did the USA gain in the brutal killings of so many people in Afghanistan and annihilating the Ghost of Bin Laden? When then is this business of killings going to end as such African leaders are lectured about the international legitimate and continuous killings of African people in Somalia, Sudan, and the DRC. It is bad indeed especially where the poor Africans are continuously seen to immigrate anyhow from their countries and becoming evermore refugees on planet earth. Africans are becoming landless again as it was during the horrible years of Western civilization when human slavery was an international legitimate trade?

 

 

 

 

Robert Johnson's Big Idea: $14 trillion in slavery reparations to African-Americans

'I think that would be a huge emotional assuaging of guilt'

16 July, 2020

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By Marisa Schultz

 

Johnson says 40 million African Americans should each receive $350,000 to atone for slavery and to close the wealth gap with white Americans.

The Big Idea is a series that asks top lawmakers and figures to discuss their moonshot — what’s the one proposal, if politics and polls and even price tag were not an issue, they’d implement to change the country for the better? 

Robert Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, says it's time America atones for slavery and systemic racism by paying African-Americans reparations to make them economically equal to white Americans.

Johnson, the first black billionaire in the United States, has put a price tag on the debt America owes to African-Americans at $14 trillion.

"Nobody talks about cash, but black people understand cash," Johnson told Fox News.

Under his proposal, an estimated 40 million African-Americans would get $350,000 in direct cash payments over 30 years (costing the average taxpayer roughly $2,900 a year, according to his office). The $350,000 would signify the wealth disparity between African-Americans and white Americans.

To say this is controversial is an understatement. Some Democratic lawmakers have warmed to the discussion, but often in the form of commissions and other partial measures. A Fox News poll last year found most Americans are opposed to cash reparations. And with the government already spending trillions on coronavirus relief and the national debt pushing past $26 trillion, concerns about the country's fiscal stability would pose an obvious hurdle.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said last year of the idea: "I think we're always a work in progress in this country, but no one currently alive was responsible for that, and I don't think we should be trying to figure out how to compensate for it."

Johnson contends white Americans built generations of wealth on the backs of slave labor, and black people will never be able to catch up in wealth unless they are paid this debt.

"You want a big idea: white America, what would happen if you said, 'please forgive us and accept our apology. And by the way, we think we owe you what was taken from you for over 300 years of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation and denial of economic opportunity and rights," Johnson said.

"I think that would be a huge emotional assuaging of guilt."

Johnson, the founder of RLJ Companies, discussed his reparations proposal at length with Fox News this week. This Q & A has been edited for clarity and brevity:

 

Black Entertainment Television (BET) founder Robert Johnson says American owes African Americans $14 trillion in reparations. (Photo by Ron Adar/Getty Images)

 

Q: You’ve put forth a reparations plan that calls for $14 trillion in direct cash payments to descendants from slavery. Why do you think it's important for today's Americans to atone for the sins of the past?

Johnson: America from its inception has been plagued by the evils of slavery, so much so that this country fought a brutal civil war to try to settle the issue. Well, obviously, the issue was not settled after the Civil War. And this country has experienced continual racial violence, segregation and discrimination since that time. And as a country that has espoused ideas about freedom, individual rights, equal treatment under the law, everything in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and yet at the same time have this significant division between blacks and whites. Economically, socially, educationally -- all of these things are because America has never come to grips with its original sin of slavery, which has been responsible for most of the disharmony between blacks and whites in this country.

And therefore, I'm proposing that if America can atone for that in the form of cash payments to African-Americans to make them economically equal to white Americans, two things will happen. One, African-Americans will be, in effect, financially equal in a capitalist society and given the opportunity to grow wealth for themselves and their families. And two ... unless you can atone, forgive and then repair in the form of the $14 trillion of cash, which the way I've developed it would make 40 million African-Americans equal in wealth to white Americans, we will live with this problem for generations to come.

Q: Your plan calls for $14 trillion to be paid out to descendants of slavery over the course of 30 years. How do you get to that figure?

Johnson: It's simple math. If you look at it this way, the median white American family has about $350,000 of personal net worth. African-Americans have about 10 times less than that. So about, let's say, $30,000 of personal net worth of an African-American family. In order to make everything equal. You have to bring African-Americans equal to white Americans.

And the factors that we use to determine net worth are pretty simple. Your home is your most important asset for most middle-class people. African-Americans are way behind white Americans in homeownership. Income, i.e. salaries, are the next factor in wealth. African-Americans fall behind white Americans significantly in income, savings, investments in stocks and bonds, money to put your kids in school. When you take all these factors, you come up with the fact that the disparity of wealth is something that you need to close. So in order to close that -- to bring 40 million African-Americans, up to $350,000 of wealth. Well, you multiply that number -- $350,000 – times 40 million African-American descendants of slaves. You come out with $14 trillion. That money would be paid out over 30 years.

Q: Would this be a special reparations new tax that would fund this program?

Johnson: Ultimately, it's a debt owed by the taxpayers. And reparations is a debt owed by the nation as a whole because all of the wealth that was taken from slaves. Free labor is a transfer of wealth.

That wealth of slavery found its way throughout the creation of wealth in the United States. I've often said that slaves may have died but the money that they created did not die. Money doesn't die. Money not only circulates; money multiplies. If you gave me a group of the brightest forensic accountants, I would be willing to bet you that I could trace every dollar of wealth in the United States today back to slavery.

The $350,000 would be paid on average $10,000 to $11,000 per year for the next 30 years to each African-American descendant. Let's assume there are 170 million people who pay taxes in the U.S. If you break it down by days, it comes out to American taxpayers paying about $8 a day in reparations.

Now, anticipating the question, what about poor whites who may not have that money to pay into the reparations program? Well, we could do it like we do other taxes. It could be a progressive tax. So those white Americans with more money would pay more, like the income tax. Those white Americans with less money would pay less. And by the way, African-Americans would also pay tax on this because it's a responsibility of the nation. And we're not exempting African-Americans from paying that tax, even though they are the recipients of the damages, just as if you were to get damages awarded by a court today. The court wouldn't say, well, you have damages coming, you don't have to pay taxes. You have to pay taxes.

 

Robert L. Johnson, BET Founder, at BET's 25th Anniversary. (File photo by L. Cohen/WireImage for BET Network)

 

Q: And how do you envision these direct cash payments being distributed? And how would you determine who is eligible for the payments?

Johnson: The eligibility is any African-American, black American, who is a direct descendant of slaves. So that's fairly simple.

And the definition of who's black. We simply use the slave era definition of black. And back in slavery days ... if you had one drop of blood in you that was black you were determined to be black. You were treated as black. So we'll use that same model.

The money would come out of the taxpayers’ pockets. ...  So that money would be transferred in the form of a cash payment to every African-American. It's sort of like Social Security. They send you a check.

Q: There’s been some reparations proposals in Washington. Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., has a bill that would establish a commission to study the impact of slavery and continuing discrimination against African Americans and then make recommendations on reparation proposals. In the House, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, authored the companion legislation. Do you support these efforts? Have you talked to them about these plans?

Johnson: I know about them and I know Sheila Jackson Lee and I know Cory, but no, I have not talked about them. And fundamentally, the reason I haven't talked about them is because they are going nowhere.

There is no need to study reparations or slavery. You can go to Google and you could have within an instant, hundreds of thousands of articles, literature, studies, on reparations and slavery. To me, this is rearranging the deck chairs on a racial titanic. It's not going any place.

The Democrats will never, ever vote for any reparations involving cash payments to descendants of slaves. They will never do it. And what they will do is what they have always done, which is paternalistic programs managed by bureaucrats to give support -- somewhat means-tested support -- in the black community. And call it a day. That's it. I guarantee you that's what will happen with this study. Because that's what this government ... is comfortable with: giving money to hopefully well-meaning bureaucrats to supervise money going to help black people.

If you're going to close the wealth gap, there are only two ways to do it. Either you've got to stop white people from getting wealthier, which you’re not going to. Or you got to make black people wealthier.

The only way you are going to do it is if you give them cash. Programs don't do it.

Q:  How would you know if this program has been successful? Would you gauge it from an economic standpoint where you see the wealth gap lessen or be closed?

Johnson:  You would obviously gauge it by closing the wealth gap. That's fairly simple because what happens when you have wealth, you do the things that white Americans have done from the time they first arrived here. They bought homes. They started businesses. They sent their kids off to college. They saved. They invested. And all of a sudden they accumulated wealth. African-Americans were denied that opportunity.

The second part is really up to white Americans. Will white Americans say to themselves, 'we have atoned for an original sin. And not only that, we have made 40 million African-Americans whole for what was done to them through no fault of their own. They were dragged here on ships to be slaves. Not even people. Property. And we took advantage of the labor that they created and used it to build our wealth. Now we're saying we want to atone.'

If white people see this as a way of saying in a huge way, I apologize. I'm sorry. I can assure you there are no more forgiving people on the face of the Earth than African-American people.

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